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Petition To Not Ban Fireworks

Discussion in 'Let's Talk Fireworks!' started by Somersetpyro, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. Somersetpyro

    Somersetpyro Galactic Fireworks Forum Member

    I'm sure most of you know now that the usual ban fireworks petition will be debated in a couple of weeks. This is a counter-petition to not have them banned, it'd be good to get the signatures up on this one. Maybe @supercarnigel or @Pyro Harry could stick a link to it on an email and send it to your mailing list. Every little helps as they say, and if people can, send a quick email to your local MP to try and get them on side, remembering to mention any retailers in that constituency who would have to close if any ban was implemented

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232242
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  2. supercarnigel

    supercarnigel Pyro-King Staff Member

    ive signed
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  3. Anthony

    Anthony Galactic Firework Addict

    I've signed it too ;)
  4. starpyro

    starpyro Galactic Firework Guru

  5. Krony

    Krony Galactic Firework Addict Competition Meet 2018 Champion

    I signed too but i think it is worthless and will just be used against us by the ban brigade as it will get no where near the 200k+ signatures their one has.
  6. Big K

    Big K Galactic Firework Enthusiast

    Signed, but I feel the same as the comments above! Some people just aren't happy unless have not got something to moan about!
  7. spookycat

    spookycat Galactic Firework Enthusiast

  8. pompski!

    pompski! Galactic Firework Enthusiast

    The government is asking for feedback prior to the "ban fireworks petition" in parliament at the THIS WEDNESDAY 21st November!
    Please take a minute to put together a decent argument against the potential ban of retail fireworks here:
    https://www.facebook.com/events/2206350099383928/?active_tab=about

    The more civil and detailed the post, the more likely it is to be used in the actual debate and don't forget to "like" other pro-firework posts so they appear closer to the top of the page.
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  9. Anthony

    Anthony Galactic Firework Addict

    Just contributed on that page sensible reasons for not banning them from retail sale and a list of actions that should be put into practice. ;)
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  10. Anthony

    Anthony Galactic Firework Addict

    Here are my list of actions I have put on that Facebook e-petition :

    (a) Trading Standards working with Police and social media giants i.e. Facebook Twitter Snapchat Whatsapp etc plus auction sites like eBay Gumtree etc to take fireworks off the web that are being offered for sale to the public, and accounts of those people responsible SHUT DOWN and permanent bans on them setting up new accounts,

    (b) Cash and carry establishments and wholesalers of fireworks being made BY LAW to insist on production of a copy of a local authority firework sales licence before ANY retail fireworks and money changes hands, you HAVE to do this before fireworks are delivered to any retail premises from a manufacturer importer or distributor so why not cash'n'carry and wholesalers too which sell fireworks to trade and retail only?,

    (c)Police forces of the UK upping their efforts to punish those parents and adults who give openly give fireworks to their children to misuse,

    (d) Confiscation of fireworks from under 18's by the Police,

    (e) Shops selling to adults and teens who then pass them onto kids losing their firework stocks IMMEDIATELY and licences voided THERE AND THEN, and then as a parting shot, those retailers banned from registering to sell them EVER AGAIN and anyone who takes over the shop is vetted before a local authority firework sales licence is granted to them,

    (f) Raids on people selling fireworks from their houses, vehicles, vans and cars following tip-offs from the public,

    (g) Powerful Category 2 fireworks and powerful Category 3 fireworks ONLY being sold from all year specialist firework retailers to members of the public who have taken some form of training in their use,

    (h) Newsagents garden centres supermarkets etc being limited to selling the less dangerous (and far less powerful) Category 2 8 metre fireworks i.e. selection boxes, smaller wheels, smaller fountains, smaller mines, smaller rockets, smaller roman candles, small multishots and smaller shot tubes,

    (i) A requirement in law so that ONLY the quieter lower noise Category 2 and 3 fireworks can be sold legally out of season by ALL retailers, and the much noisier ones are restricted to Nov 5th and New Year's Eve sales only,

    (j) Instant court appearances and prison sentences for those caught misusing fireworks be they teenagers or adults,

    (k) Punishment of parents of children under age, where children cannot be punished because of their age, being jailed for their children's illegal acquisition and misuse of fireworks underage and by the way it is ILLEGAL for under 18's to possess fireworks in a public place, this isn't being enforced and IT SHOULD BE.

    My controls strike a balance between enjoyment of fireworks and reduction of firework nuisance with stringent punishments for those willing to flout the laws.
  11. thetechi

    thetechi Galactic Firework Addict

    So, especially to those of you with a lot of experience in the industry, it is concerning to me quite how much press this has got this year.

    What do you reckon is the likeliness it'll actually go through?
  12. Anthony

    Anthony Galactic Firework Addict

    Will today's discussion on firework banning / sales controls be available to view on BBC Parliament via satellite cable Freeview and on devices plus online and in the HoC online feeds / YouTube channel
  13. Krony

    Krony Galactic Firework Addict Competition Meet 2018 Champion

    Today's discussion was on Facebook
  14. Krony

    Krony Galactic Firework Addict Competition Meet 2018 Champion

    Government takes the issue of safety of fireworks very seriously. Legislation is in place to control their sale, use and misuse. We have no plans to change legislation.


    Fireworks have played a part in the UK’s history, and have been used for celebrations by many of our cultures – Christian, Hindu, Muslim - for many years. We recognise the enjoyment they bring to many people and the important role that they play in bringing communities together in celebration or remembrance. Private displays allow families and friends to hold their own displays and create their own traditions, celebrating events throughout the year such as weddings and birthdays. However, there is a limit on when fireworks can be set off, with a nightly curfew after 11pm every day apart from the four traditional dates, when that curfew is extended.


    The Government understands the strong feelings that many people have about fireworks. But we would like to reassure you that there is already strict legislation in place to regulate the supply, storage, possession, use and misuse of fireworks to ensure public safety. This includes powers to prosecute those who use them in a dangerous or antisocial manner.


    Together, the restrictions set out in the 2003 Fireworks Act, the Fireworks Regulations 2004 and the Pyrotechnic Articles (Safety) Regulations 2015, provide a regulatory framework that allows for the safe enjoyment of fireworks by the public while minimising the risk of fireworks harming individuals, property or animals.


    In addition, the availability of fireworks to the public is restricted by a licensing scheme for retailers which only allows for their sale without a license during the traditional firework periods of November 5th, New Year’s Eve, Diwali and the Chinese New Year. There are also age restrictions in place which prevent the sale of fireworks to those under the age of 16 or 18 dependent on the classification of firework. There are further restrictions on the public possession of most fireworks by those under 18.


    Local Authority Trading Standards have powers to take action against those who sell fireworks illegally, including those selling fireworks without an appropriate licence, or outside the normal selling period, or to underage people. This also includes the sale of illegally imported fireworks and internet sales.

    We recognise that the noise from fireworks can be distressing to some people and so there is in place a noise level limit of 120 decibels on fireworks that are available for consumer use. Consumers can also choose to buy from the wide range of low noise fireworks now available.


    The Government is also aware of concerns about the risks of firework-related injury. Measures have already been taken to ban certain dangerous items from sale in the UK including bangers and jumping jacks. This removes from sale higher risk fireworks which could lead to injury. Also, the most powerful category of display fireworks must not be sold to members of the public.


    Having said that legislation is in place, we have listened to the concerns around the potential for distress to be caused by fireworks to individuals, as well as to livestock, pets and wildlife.


    We believe that the best way to continue to reduce any distress caused by fireworks is to work with industry, retailers and others to promote their safe and responsible use through guidance and public education and to ensure that appropriate action is taken against those that break the rules.


    That is why the new Office for Product Safety and Standards is working with industry, retailers, charities and others, including the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (RoSPA) and Netmums, to promote their safe and responsible use and to raise consumer awareness on firework safety.


    The Government urges those using fireworks to be considerate to their neighbours and to give sufficient notice of firework use, particularly to those who are vulnerable such as the elderly, children, those with mental health issues such as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and those with pets and livestock. Government-sponsored guidance on safe and considerate use of fireworks is available via the GOV.UK website. This includes a link to the Fireworks Code hosted by RoSPA containing guidance on respecting neighbours, especially those with pets and informing them of planned displays. In addition, the Government supports the Blue Cross animal charity guidance which advises how to avoid or reduce stress to animals when fireworks are being set off. The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA), the Kennel Club and the Dogs Trust provide similar advice on their websites concerning how to minimise the impact of fireworks use on animals.


    The Government believes the legislation and guidance already in place is appropriate to allow for the safe use of fireworks by the public; therefore, we have no plans to ban private sales.


    Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy
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  15. Anthony

    Anthony Galactic Firework Addict

    Good. The status quo on fireworks remains. Happy days! ;)
  16. martywolfman

    martywolfman Galactic Firework Addict Competition Meet 2018 Champion

    This is pretty much as expected to be honest. Same as they've said the other times this silly petition gets discussed.
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  17. Krony

    Krony Galactic Firework Addict Competition Meet 2018 Champion

    This was just a pre facebook debate the main debate is on the 26th but as the government have given that response i highly doubt it will be changed.
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  18. Jinn Kyja

    Jinn Kyja Super Moderator Competition Meet 2018 Champion

    You sound paranoid, @Krony.
    It's not like anyone is gonna lift your stash pics and complain about them.
    :facepalm:
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  19. Krony

    Krony Galactic Firework Addict Competition Meet 2018 Champion

  20. martywolfman

    martywolfman Galactic Firework Addict Competition Meet 2018 Champion

    Where on earth did you get an idea like that? You'd have to be crazy to even think that up in the first place
  21. pyrojim

    pyrojim Galactic Firework Addict

    signed

    Fuddy Duddy led country

    :blah:
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