Are the price rises that have come in this year on fireworks justified?

Discussion in 'Anthonys Thought of the Day' started by Anthony, May 26, 2013.

  1. Anthony

    Anthony Galactic Firework Addict

    what do you think on this?
  2. monstu

    monstu Galactic Firework Guru

    everything goes up Sir Anthony :sparkler:, our weekly shopping items go up every week by a penny here and there, we just dont notice as we buy it every week.

    Dont worry, them selection boxes, fountains and wheels you love so much will only go up by a 50p or so :)
  3. Pyro Daddy

    Pyro Daddy Galactic Firework Guru

    Hmmmm, what are your thoughts on this Sir Anthony :sparkler:? you made the post.....
    Are you waiting for someone else to post before you have your rant?

    Nobody likes it when the price of things goes up.
    But when you consider the price increase of other things, for example, i heard the other day the price of food has gone up %40 in the last 6 years. Then you have petrol etc etc.

    When the price of fireworks goes up i have no doubt retailers increase their profit margins a little bit too, everyone does. Don't forget, a business is in business to make more profit this year than they did the last. It's the way of the world.

    Fireworks are fairly unique in that a few years ago the regulations changed and this meant people were paying the same prices for pyro but getting a less effective product. Thankfully, pyro is getting better again and a lot better! i think its forcing the industry to think outside of the box and be more creative, other than just put more bang in your pyro.

    Thats what i think anyway.
  4. The Judge

    The Judge Galactic Firework Addict

    This should be good!
  5. Anthony

    Anthony Galactic Firework Addict

    I suppose I should be grateful;labour costs/raw material costs etc of fireworks do not necessarily stay the same and sometimes importers/distributors/manufacturers find their costs go up from time to time (and can't always keep absorbing the rising cost of cardboard/card/paper/chemicals/glue/fusing/wood/wire/plastics etc by keeping prices the same on their retail firework products as they have done for a few years).

    Also import duties and VAT by our various moneygrabbing govts also add to the retail cost of fireworks too.

    When fireworks were Britishmade, the tradeprices/retail costs went up more or less every year with rising material prices/VAT rises that had to be passed to the retailer/customer in higher retail prices.

    It's only since the chinese and european invasion of imports in the eighties by Weco/Sohni(Esco)/Feistel/Red Lantern/Cosmic/Horse Brand/Link Triad and chinese/malaysian/indonesian imports thru British companies under their own name ie Vulcan=Brock's International rebadged that prices got a lot cheaper.

    Later on some british names teamed up with foreign companies like Feistel Benwell Limited-a mix of indonesian/malaysian imports and German Feistel product and some Britishmade Benwell stuff;although the british made stuff didnt last long and was rapidly superseded by all import products.

    At that point British manufacturing of fireworks rapidly declined (and it was cheaper to import than manufacture;the imported fireworks were much cheaper than britishmade with affordable, and in the case of Sohni(Esco), sometimes dirtcheap prices too).

    Only Standard continued to manufacture and co-exist with a mix of chinese imports and british made fireworks thru the 90s (british made ones last being sold in 1995 then replaced with all new chinese product year after in 1996, remember the Chinese made star selection boxes?) until the company got put up for sale and Black Cat took it over in 1999. :)
  6. johnsouthwales

    johnsouthwales Galactic Firework Enthusiast

    thanks Sir Anthony :sparkler: everythings a lot clearer now,but are the price rise's justified
  7. Anthony

    Anthony Galactic Firework Addict

    Rising costs of materials/labour/shipping then import tax/duty to the govt once they land, then the cost of transport to the uk companies' explosives magazines/premises then again onto the retailers shops ie the horrendously high cost of diesel to power those trucks-somebody has to foot that cost somewhere along the line.

    As long as the rises from the uk fireworks companies are not overly extortionate then thats fine;a few pence here and there to the cost of a selection pack or the odd couple of quid to a retail price of a cake/cakepack/mine pack/fountain/romancandle pack/wheel pack/rocket pack is not too bad. ;)
  8. pyro mike

    pyro mike Galactic Firework Addict

    Fireworks weren't cheap in the first place Sir Anthony :sparkler:, well consumer fireworks, fireworks will continue to rise, yes us pyromaniacs hate the fact a firework we paid for last year has gone up by £2 or so,

    But like this new testing, CE which is inevatible to allow us to keep us having our fireworks on a yearly basis, yes CE testing is expensive, but we can't escape the fact that our laws on pyro is changing, and that comes with a cost, but the retailers won't want to absorb the cost,

    So expect fireworks to be on the rise,
    But I'll still buy it, and think every guy or women will still purchase there pyro.....

    ALL HAIL GUY FAWKES.......:rockon:
  9. Anthony

    Anthony Galactic Firework Addict

    sorry to correct you slightly but whether we carry on CE product testing/marking for uk firework products will also depend on whether the UK keeps itself within europe or not as the case may be. If we pull out of Europe, then all of the CE testing/marking on fireworks will therefore end. Also there are some jitters in the uk govt and firework industry bodies over the European Standard for fireworks, in that it is not as safe, as our own BS7114 standard. :)
  10. pyro mike

    pyro mike Galactic Firework Addict

    CE testing won't end Sir Anthony :sparkler:, the old system is outdated, and who says we'll come out of the EU? Remember you we're a pyro judge not a prime minister lol:thumb:

    Plus you'd find Sir Anthony :sparkler:, that the CE rules are based heavily on safety, and the products will be more vigorously tested....
  11. The Judge

    The Judge Galactic Firework Addict

    Told you it'd be good!

    I don't have the foggiest whether there have been slight rises in prices for this item or that process in the making of fireworks. What I do know that we are living in an evolving global economy in which developing nations' economies will have an increasing impact on our own. You might have got used to cheap products from those countries over the past decades and that was due to the far lower production costs being passed onto the consumer to a lesser or greater extent. Much of that impact was from cheap labour.

    As those nations develop further they start to deliver increases in their own standards of living and, that in turn drives up the salaries they pay and the power of the workforce to require better terms and conditions. Add to that the ever spiralling of the demand for products from within those economies and you routinely see rising prices and competition from the internal market.

    The good old impacts of supply and demand will always win through. So you don't really have a say whether it's justified or not. It just is what it is.

    Look at that, all that information without a single '/'!
  12. essex pyro

    essex pyro Galactic Firework Addict

    lol john this did make me laugh as Sir Anthony :sparkler: got his soap box out think we should send him to hyde park corner they will love him their
  13. Anthony

    Anthony Galactic Firework Addict

    So its stuff all to do with Europe and its stuff all to with rises to do with rising costs as to why firework prices have gone up! That's me told off :(
  14. pyro mike

    pyro mike Galactic Firework Addict

    Sir Anthony :sparkler:, when I first brought a can of coca cola it was 25p, now it's around 75p like everything else, rent goes up, council tax goes up, etc etc....and wages tend to go up too, not very often though lol....

    Plus dont forget Sir Anthony :sparkler:, last year we saw a 2.5% rise in VAT. All adds up,
  15. The Judge

    The Judge Galactic Firework Addict

    I humbly suggest that the pricing of fireworks from China has little to do with European regulations as much as you might rail against health and safety and taxation. As I said, no idea personally of all the things that might contribute to rising costs. Just that you cannot avoid that as formerly third world countries develop the price of their products will rise. One of the big issues of the decline of our manufacturing base is that eventually it comes home to bite you when the cheap imports you relied upon aren't so cheap any more. Basic macro economics I'm afraid.
  16. pyro mike

    pyro mike Galactic Firework Addict

    Yep, the Chinese economy is changing that rapidly, there workers will want a good wage, and that'll bring up costs in every department in the manufacturing process, :confused:milecolour:
  17. triple burst

    triple burst Galactic Firework Enthusiast

    Fireworks are a luxury item Sir Anthony :sparkler: and like all luxury items they go up faster than most things,just be thankfull we still can buy them when we like .:chinaman::chinaman::facepalm::amen:
  18. pyro mike

    pyro mike Galactic Firework Addict

    Sir Anthony :sparkler:, you have just picked up a cube coral box for cheap as chips, so what you worried about, :monocle:
  19. triple burst

    triple burst Galactic Firework Enthusiast

    You lucky boy Sir Anthony :sparkler: ,thats a proper bargain mate ,you are seeing the light with some quality pyro at last lol:chinaman:

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